Birthright citizenship is serfdom. The Founders never included it explicitly for that reason. Try avoiding any future draft. Try not filing your taxes if you take a job abroad. Oblivious. The Constitution is in tatters and the Feds run the economy but let’s bag on migrants.
As a person who has lived on the US Mexico border for most of my 70 plus years, it was always known in the ‘migrant/illegal alien communtity’ (which were mostly Mexican, then later Central Americans) to get up here to La Frontera to have your baby, because then they would be U.S. citizens, and you could collect ‘benefits’ from the State of California/US government for you and your baby. And we the taxpayers of CA and the USA would foot the bill for those births, and future healthcare/social benefits. I think this practice of “birthright citizenship” would be a good thing for Trump to end.
But there’s a certain faction of this country…I call them the ‘bleeding hearts’ that feel we must support these ‘migrants’ who flee their home countries because of it’s ‘oppressive’ ways, then we (the taxpayers) must support them.
Many of these people have no idea whatsoever of the crazy s**t that goes on in the border region in which live, on a daily & weekly basis with these migrants. They have no idea that this migrant business/human smuggling is now ‘big business’ for the cartels, as well as the Biden Crime Administration’s NGOs that ‘profit’ off this activity as well. In my area, it’s Catholic Charities and Jewish Family Services, that are the grifters.
Why would our birth certificates become invalid? I think you are overthinking this -- right now, we reward foreigners to come here to give birth, which is completely destructive and, as I document here, not supported by our history or laws. Victor Davis Hansen talks a lot a bout the requisites of citizenship for any society. Without boundaries (of land, i.e. borders, and of citizenship, i.e. connection to the culture), no society endures. So the exception you propose swallows the rule -- none of us really have citizenship if we can just bust borders and be rewarded. Our society is under attack -- multiculturalism is a destroyer of culture and thus order: assimilation is paramount for any society to sustain its culture, economy, and public order.
There is always potential for abuse in any system -- but your hypotheticals are outside of the scope of the goals. That is, no one is out to deprive any legitimate citizens of their rights. Naturalization could still be offered -- a process, not a destination. But consider the other side of the equation -- as people have commented, the current system creates a perverse incentive for foreigners to risk everything (or pay the money if rich) to acquire citizenship, which undermines the border integrity you agree should be secured. Part of that security requires consistent policies.
My first wife was not a US citizen. We waited in line for a visa like everyone else -- if we had enetered the country illegally she would have been subject to deportation. Seems like the Rule of Law to me. But my understanding is that if a US citizen takes citizenship in a foreign nation they abdicate their US citizenship I'm not sure that is true). But requiring anyone born here to give up their rights in their home country would do little for people not intending to return. People fleeing Venezuela and the Congo are not incentivized by such a policy, even IF it were enforceable (it is not -- the US does not dictate other nation's laws.)
You write "It's conceivable there could be several generations of "illegals", all born here under the same roof, but with no legal country of origin. " once again an extreme hypothetical exception -- there should still be a legal path to naturalization, so the first generation has no reason to perpetuate illegal residency unless they refuse to assimilate, no?
Being a Christian does not mean we abandon national boundaries or the Rule of Law. It means crafting laws that aspire toward justice in an imperfect world. I don't think birthright citizenship is either dictated by our existing laws, or beneficial because it is a moral hazard that encourages illegal behavior that undermines the social and economic stability of America.
Thank you very much for explaining why Trump will have the authority to end the ridiculous policy of birthright citizenship.
Birthright citizenship is serfdom. The Founders never included it explicitly for that reason. Try avoiding any future draft. Try not filing your taxes if you take a job abroad. Oblivious. The Constitution is in tatters and the Feds run the economy but let’s bag on migrants.
And now it is a common practice in wealthy, foreign, Asian families to come to CA and do the same.
As a person who has lived on the US Mexico border for most of my 70 plus years, it was always known in the ‘migrant/illegal alien communtity’ (which were mostly Mexican, then later Central Americans) to get up here to La Frontera to have your baby, because then they would be U.S. citizens, and you could collect ‘benefits’ from the State of California/US government for you and your baby. And we the taxpayers of CA and the USA would foot the bill for those births, and future healthcare/social benefits. I think this practice of “birthright citizenship” would be a good thing for Trump to end.
Yes, it is just common sense -- not racist xenophobia.
But there’s a certain faction of this country…I call them the ‘bleeding hearts’ that feel we must support these ‘migrants’ who flee their home countries because of it’s ‘oppressive’ ways, then we (the taxpayers) must support them.
Many of these people have no idea whatsoever of the crazy s**t that goes on in the border region in which live, on a daily & weekly basis with these migrants. They have no idea that this migrant business/human smuggling is now ‘big business’ for the cartels, as well as the Biden Crime Administration’s NGOs that ‘profit’ off this activity as well. In my area, it’s Catholic Charities and Jewish Family Services, that are the grifters.
Why would our birth certificates become invalid? I think you are overthinking this -- right now, we reward foreigners to come here to give birth, which is completely destructive and, as I document here, not supported by our history or laws. Victor Davis Hansen talks a lot a bout the requisites of citizenship for any society. Without boundaries (of land, i.e. borders, and of citizenship, i.e. connection to the culture), no society endures. So the exception you propose swallows the rule -- none of us really have citizenship if we can just bust borders and be rewarded. Our society is under attack -- multiculturalism is a destroyer of culture and thus order: assimilation is paramount for any society to sustain its culture, economy, and public order.
There is always potential for abuse in any system -- but your hypotheticals are outside of the scope of the goals. That is, no one is out to deprive any legitimate citizens of their rights. Naturalization could still be offered -- a process, not a destination. But consider the other side of the equation -- as people have commented, the current system creates a perverse incentive for foreigners to risk everything (or pay the money if rich) to acquire citizenship, which undermines the border integrity you agree should be secured. Part of that security requires consistent policies.
My first wife was not a US citizen. We waited in line for a visa like everyone else -- if we had enetered the country illegally she would have been subject to deportation. Seems like the Rule of Law to me. But my understanding is that if a US citizen takes citizenship in a foreign nation they abdicate their US citizenship I'm not sure that is true). But requiring anyone born here to give up their rights in their home country would do little for people not intending to return. People fleeing Venezuela and the Congo are not incentivized by such a policy, even IF it were enforceable (it is not -- the US does not dictate other nation's laws.)
You write "It's conceivable there could be several generations of "illegals", all born here under the same roof, but with no legal country of origin. " once again an extreme hypothetical exception -- there should still be a legal path to naturalization, so the first generation has no reason to perpetuate illegal residency unless they refuse to assimilate, no?
Being a Christian does not mean we abandon national boundaries or the Rule of Law. It means crafting laws that aspire toward justice in an imperfect world. I don't think birthright citizenship is either dictated by our existing laws, or beneficial because it is a moral hazard that encourages illegal behavior that undermines the social and economic stability of America.