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The other thing that this fellow doesn’t see is garbage in garbage out. People have high medical bills because they don’t care about their food. And when your meat and produce is of low quality you eat less of it and get less nutrition from it which leads to chronic disease. We know that green revolution food is cheaper, worse and less nutritious. If you can’t understand that health and nutrition comes from healthy soil then you can’t call yourself a farmer.

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I think the heart of the disagreement is that he doesn’t understand that industrial farming is productive for the processors, wholesalers, groceries, input and machinery manufacturers, but not the person on the land. If the grocery store stays open our food and our farmers will suffer. He is obviously a proponent of the “green” revolution, which I would encourage him to look further into, because the case of Sri Lanka is telling. Your friend would argue that you can’t get 600 bushel corn without industrial techniques, which is true. And then John would counter that the farmer making 600 bushel corn is probably losing money. Both things can be true. But a farmer who is losing money being maximally productive will not be farming for very long. Our system incentivizes people to lose money because it produces cheap grains and high input consumption (main lobbying interests in Washington). I would challenge your friend to listen to John Kempf’s Regenerative agriculture podcast, because he discusses in detail the advantages of approaching agronomy from a biological systems approach vs conventional chemical approach. Round up gets leas and less effective over time. Using synthetic nitrogen mines the fertility out of soils. Using chemistry is fundamentally unsustainable long term.

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